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Post by Zac R on Feb 3, 2014 18:13:16 GMT
To know means that you understand teh facts of the situtation, but you may not acknowledge or have faith in these facts/knowledge. This is when someone is in denial; they understand the situation, but can't accept the reality for what it is. Quote: "So many events had taken place in just a few hours that I had completeley lost all track of time...Surley it was a dream." Here, Elie knows that the time since leaving the ghetto and arriving at the concentration camp has been incredibly short, but he can't even believe that he is in the concentration camp, even though that is the reality around him. Real World Example: In the Real World, an example of this denial is in the 5-Stages of Grief, which ususally applies to death. During the 5-stages of Grief, people go through stages such as anger, bargaining, denial, depression, and eventually acceptance. During the stages before acceptance, the person going through the grief is essentially in denial about the thing they are grieving for. To believe something is to completley accept or understand it, even if there is no factual proof that it exsists. This can go hand in hand with knowing, as you may *know* that one thing does not exsist, but you still *believe* that it does. Quote: "Freed from the barbers' clutches, we began to wander about the crowd, finding friends, acquaintences. Every encounter filled us with joy-yes, joy: Thank God! You are still alive!" Here we can see that Elie and the people around him still have hope; they still believe that in the end thing will be ok, or that there is still hope, when by many definitions there is none. Around them, the reality tells them there is no hope, and yet they still believe that there is. Real World Example: In the real world, the best example of this is religion. In religion, one will believe that something is true; whether it be a God or Gods, a single belief or rule, and even though there may not be any factual evidence to support these beliefs or to disporve them, the followers of these beliefs still hold them to be true. In essence, they believe regardless of what the reality may or may not be, and make their To be mad or crazy can be thought of in two ways: either a form of belief beyond just believing, or simply a mental illness. In terms of belief beyond belief, this is because someone who is crazy can take what the belief, while totally disregarding reality, and transforming what they percieve in reality into what they belive. In terms of a mental illness, this takes the form of an illness such as Schizophrenia, in which reality becomes distorted for someone with it. Quote: "'Fire! I see a fire!'...'It;s nothing, Mother! There's nothing there...'" Here, we see that the Madame truly and firmly believes, and probably percieves, that there is a fire of some sort, regardless of what reality or anyone else says. Real World Example: Schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is a mental disorder in which it is hard or impossible at times to tell between what is real and not real; this is due to very powerful hallucinations. This is a good example of what being "Crazy" or "Mad" can be; even if the person is a genius, if they have a mental disorder such as this, they can't even tell what the actual facts are, and so their "world" is shaped by their hallucinations *and* reality at once. I think the real world examples such as schizophrenia are very good examples of the words |
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Post by Carly T. on Feb 3, 2014 18:13:29 GMT
To me, being mad is getting to a point in your thoughts and words that you can not even comprehend what happening in your mind yourself. It becomes the case that your ideas and thoughts are all bundled up and you cant express them in a way that other people would understand. This is why belief was so tricky for Mrs.Schacter and why no one believed her. They were simply no allowed any detail and werent prepared to waste their last bit of energy to try. I agree with your definition of madness, it was hard for me to put it into words but you did it well. (: |
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Post by Megan L on Feb 3, 2014 18:13:43 GMT
Knowing is it can be proven with facts and evidence such as the Holocaust. All the witnesses and the buildings still here today prove this event happened. Some people still dont know about the torture the jews were put through.
To believe you think of something like its real but its not. Like an imaginary friend. You could think its real but its not. For example in the book Night when they are getting transported from the one concentration at the beginning of the chapter and then to the new one at the end of the chapter they think there will be more hope there but its not.
To be mad, crazy in fact is to be mentally ill. If you were raped when you were young you could go your whole life in fear and you could be over cautious and people could think you weird and mad.Wouldn't you be justified in being overcautious though? Based on the horrific experience. In the book Night they think Madame Schachter was mad because she kept screaming FIRE. I think she was a witness and she managed to escape somehow and being separated from her family she completely lost it somehow also maybe she was having deja vu of the jews outcome.
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Post by NoahW on Feb 3, 2014 18:14:13 GMT
Knowing something is understanding and comprending a certain thing or subject. "I will never forget that night" is a quote about never forgetting that moment, knowing what happened. A real world example is that I know that the holocaust is a real event. Believing something is thinking something is real but when it might not be real. "God is testing us" is a quote that they believe that a supernatural power is causing the pain and "trials" they are facing. Religion is a real world example because people believe in a supernatural power that may or may not exist. Being mad is believing in something that is physical and not being there or not believed/accepted by people. "Look at the fire! Look at the flames! Over there!" is a quote by the mad women because there were no flames fire or anything of that nature but this may be a prediction Crystal Night because of the fire reference. A real world example is a insanasylum because of the insane people saying things that are not there or are not sane Can you elaborate upon what how the real world example relate to what you are saying is Knowing, belief, and madness? Also, I like how your definitions are concise, but I think that they could be a bit more "fleshed out". Otherwise, I thought they were very good and easy-to-understand definitions. |
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Post by Carly T. on Feb 3, 2014 18:15:28 GMT
Real World Example: Schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is a mental disorder in which it is hard or impossible at times to tell between what is real and not real; this is due to very powerful hallucinations. This is a good example of what being "Crazy" or "Mad" can be; even if the person is a genius, if they have a mental disorder such as this, they can't even tell what the actual facts are, and so their "world" is shaped by their hallucinations *and* reality at once. I really like your example for madness, it was very informative. |
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Post by NoahW on Feb 3, 2014 18:16:57 GMT
The difference between knowing madness and belief is that if you believe you have an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists or you trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something. If you are mad you are crazy or mental ill about something that you know can be proven wrong or something that annoys you. In the book the book Mrs. Schachter was mad because she was thought that there was a fire outside the cattle cars window and it was proven that there was none when everyone else in the cattle car saw that there was no fire. Knowing belief is shown when everyone on the cattle cars still thought that they might be going to a better place but no one knew for sure if it was a bad place so they continued to think it was a good place they were going. Knowing a belief is believing in GOD died for our sins and not thinking anything else Can you elaborate upon exactly what knowing, madness, and belief are? I think you did, but it is very hard to read and comprehend what you are saying. Also, you may want to better signify where your quotes are, with quotation marks. |
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Post by Chase W on Feb 3, 2014 18:17:40 GMT
Knowing is to be positive about something and being able to prove that with evidence. A quote from the book is " There are eighty of you in the car" this is an example because you can prove it by counting yourself. Math is a real world example of knowing because you have formulas and equations to back you up with. To believe is to either think somethings real or to think something is true. A quote in the book is "You'll see, You'll find your husband and sons again" believe because the person thinks that its true that it will happen. A real world example of believe is when kids believe in Santa Clause, they think that he is real. To be mad (crazy) is when someone acts out of control or they are mentally deranged and they are very aggressive. A quote from the book is "Jews listen to me , she cried. " I see fire" is crazy because their was nothing there and she has no evidence of their being a fire. A real world example for crazy is a terrorist because they believe that if they kill people who do not believe in the cause then they will go to heaven.
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Post by Daniel B. on Feb 3, 2014 18:18:27 GMT
Believing is to have faith in something full-heatedly, even when there is no evidence of it existing or uncertainty about it, and is probably the easiest of the three to define. To believe in someone is to have faith in them, that they can accomplish something, even though there is a clear possibility of failure. Religion is all about believing in a deity that science has not proven exists, but people still believe in their God and their Heaven, or whatever their religion is about. the quote from the book is "but people not only refused to believe his tales, they refused to listen. some even insinuated that he only wanted their pity, that he was imagining things." This shows that people didn't believe him because he didn't have evidence, although belief doesn't really need evidence. What he was saying required belief, that they weren't willing to extend.
Knowing and madness are much more complicated as what is mad for one might be simple knowledge for another.Yes! To know is to understand something, not in its entirety but more than a mere acquaintance. To know is to see some o the inner workings, but to understand is to know how they go together. and example of this is that someone might now how a clock works, but someone who understands it fully will know how the gears work together, and they will be able to fix something that has gone wrong.So, knowledge is a part where understanding is the whole? "Man asks and God replies. But we don't understand his replies. Because they dwell in the depths of our souls and remain there until we die." This shows how man wants to know about the universe, but what he discovers in his quest for answers cannot be understood, for it only brings forth more questions.
Madness is very complicated because of its inherent nature. As Oscar Levant said, "There is a fine line between genius and insanity," and Aristotle once said "No great mind has ever existed without a touch of madness." This shows that madness is really a window which we can peer through to see a world far, far different from our own. however, if you become mad it is as if you have fallen through the window into a deep pit, stuck in the madness while others peer through the window and struggle to understand those in the pit. Madness provides the spontaneity and ingenuity that comes along with genius, as without it how is one to create something new and revolutionary? Commonplace inventions would once have been regarded as ramblings of a madman before someone dared to try to understand them. TV, Airplanes, the Internet, Cars; if any had even bothered to think about these things 100 or more years before their inception, they would have likely been labeled as insane. Leonardo Da Vinci was ridiculed by his peers for his designs of flying machines. In the book the Jews on the train think that Madame Schachter is mad when she screams about the fire, only to realize later that the fire was real. They thought she was mad but I think she had merely fallen through the window, that the loss of her family pushed her into the pit and the other passengers were left to stare from the other side. The metaphor of the window and the pit really help to illustrate this point. So, in madness, people live in a world that follows different rules from the norm? |
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Post by Kristin K on Feb 3, 2014 18:18:54 GMT
To know is something you heard or read about.
"The child who tells us his story here was one of God's chosen" Pg. xix, They heard something so now they know it
I read about he holocaust so now I know about it.
To believe is to have your opinion on something
"look! Look at this fire!" Pg. 25 Mrs. Schachter believed that there was a fire
I believe in God
To be mad/crazy is to think things that are not true
"look! Look at this fire!" Pg. 25 Mrs. Schachter believed that there was a fire but there wasn't
People said there we dragons in the park. |
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Post by Jackson C on Feb 3, 2014 18:19:25 GMT
To know means that you understand something, but you don't acknowledge it.But, I know and acknowledge that 2 = 2 = 4? A quote from the book Night is "One person was placed in charge of every car: if someone managed to escape, that person would be shot." PG.22 A real life example would be the Holocaust. If people were to try and escape they would get shot. Eventually they would die.
To believe means that you think that something is real or correct, or even incorrect or fake. Previous statement needs clarification.A quote from Night is "We thought that nothing could frighten us anymore." PG.39. They thought that nothing else terrible could happen to them.
To be mad means that you are crazy and insane. What does crazy/insane mean?A quote from the book Night is "Look at the fire! Look at the flames!" PG.26. This is when Mrs. Schatner has hallucinations about seeing fire.
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Post by Chloe G. on Feb 3, 2014 18:19:57 GMT
Knowing is the convincing of what one does or says. It is not relying on the fact it is the pure knowledge that something is true. It is supported by history and proven to be accurate. To know something, it is proven by thought and a realistic belief is behind it. An example in Night of "knowing" is the history behind it all. It has been proven through many sources and other's experiences. What has happened it true and has been supported very much.
Believing is the inspiration to know that something is true. This is not proven, it is something you are willing to accept, you choose if this is true or not (opinion) In the book Night Eliezer and the others had moments in which they had felt safe for the time being and relied on hope that would keep everything under control. They had believed that they would stay in one barrack for a while and be able to process all that has happened so quickly. But it was never as it seemed, everything changed so rapidly and it was not what they expected. Now Eliezer finds it hard to trust anyone.
To be mad or crazy is derived from a bad memory or abuse. When someone has gone mad, it may be dwelled from an incident that has caused one to go mentally insane or delusional. They are physically and mentally incapable to accept reality- which may lead to harming an other person. Madame S. would be a fair example of this trait, she is not permanently insane, by losing her loved ones she has targeted something else to keep her mind off of the other distractions. She says "Jews, fire! Fire! There's a fire" Her purpose is not only to warn them, but she has made it up in her head. She startled the ones around her as if her infectious pain was contagious.
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Post by Morgan Mokoff on Feb 3, 2014 18:28:18 GMT
To believe is to have hope that something better exist. In the book Elie helps his mother's cousin's husband to believe that his wife is alright by saying " yes my mother heard from them. Reizel is fine. So are the children." Another thing that supports ideas of belief is that people often make wishes on 11:11, on stars, and comets. I think the reason for this is that people need to believe that there is better thing out and something to hold on to. |
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Post by Tom L. on Feb 3, 2014 21:06:28 GMT
knowing something means you know it physically exists. meoshe knew that there were camps were they kept jews, because he went to one. a real world example is how i know that 2 plus 2 is 4. Believing in somthing is when you think it is real, or atleast not fake. Santa is a real world example because you can believe in him and think he exists. an example from the book is that when they arrived at the camp they thought they were going to a better place. to be mad means that you are crazy, and see or hear thing that arent there. Like the lady who thought she was seeing fire. a real life example is that like people who see ghosts or stuff. with believing, what classifies something as a belief instead of knowledge when you think it exists instead of knowing it physically exists? |
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Post by Tom L. on Feb 3, 2014 21:09:40 GMT
Knowing is it can be proven with facts and evidence such as the Holocaust. All the witnesses and the buildings still here today prove this event happened. Some people still dont know about the torture the jews were put through. To believe you think of something like its real but its not. Like an imaginary friend. You could think its real but its not. For example in the book Night when they are getting transported from the one concentration at the beginning of the chapter and then to the new one at the end of the chapter they think there will be more hope there but its not. To be mad, crazy in fact is to be mentally ill. If you were raped when you were young you could go your whole life in fear and you could be over cautious and people could think you weird and mad. In the book Night they think Madame Schachter was mad because she kept screaming FIRE. I think she was a witness and she managed to escape somehow and being separated from her family she completely lost it somehow also maybe she was having deja vu of the jews outcome. with the example of being raped, I think there's a difference between trauma and craziness. |
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Post by Rachel R on Feb 3, 2014 23:11:38 GMT
Knowing: having knowledge of something and knowing whether it's true or not, with evidence and other people who know, or believe, the same thing
"The Hungarian police made us climb into cars, eighty persons in each one." pg. 22
There were large numbers of people sent to the camps at the same time, and even in the same car, who are all witnesses that saw the same things Elie saw.
Belief: having faith in something that others may not, and you may have your own reasons as to why you believe it
""Jews, listen to me...I see flames, huge flames!" It was as though she were possessed by some evil spirit." pg. 25
She truly believed there were flames and she wouldn't give up on trying to get them to see what she saw, and no one saw it or believed her.
Madness: when someone seems crazy and emotionally unstable, so everything they say or do seems unbelievable
""The fire, over there!" She was pointing somewhere in the distance, always the same place." pg. 26
She screamed every night saying she saw fire, always pointing to the same spot out of the window, and no one ever saw anything and they all thought she was crazy.
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