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Post by Abbey G. on Feb 4, 2014 21:46:06 GMT
Knowing something is like a fact. You can prove it with evidence you can let people see in some way. Quote: "We never saw him again. He had been given the news. The real news." (pg. 45) They know this is true because they saw it.
Believing something means that not everyone thinks something is true. There is no true way of proving it. Quote: "God is testing us. He wants to see whether we are capable of overcoming our base instincts, of killing the Satan within ourselves." (pg. 45) Only some people believe this. It is an opinion.
Madness is going crazy about something, or believing something that no one else believes, and they may think you are crazy. Quote: "Jews look! Look at the fire! Look at the flames!" (pg. 28) This is madness because no one else saw the flames, and she was the only one that believed she saw them. Everyone thought she was crazy.
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Post by Ava A on Feb 4, 2014 21:48:29 GMT
Julia- I agree with what Julia said about madness when you hear about people that have gone crazy, they will always think they are right.I think that their could be some evidence for you to believe. There doesn't have to be no evidence for you to believe, for example there can be facts about global warming happening and facts about it not happening and you can go with what ever you believe.
I think Haley said this- I don't think you have to have seen the evidence. You can just learn by hearing and reading about other people's knowledge to gain more. You don't really have to experience/see what happened to know about it.
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Post by Abbey G. on Feb 4, 2014 21:51:24 GMT
Knowing is when you have proof of something. You need to have some kind of evidence or you have to have seen it for yourself. Believing something means that you may have some proof or evidence but you haven't seen it for yourself which means you have to trust the person or thing that is giving you the proof or evidence. For example in Night on pg 39 "We thought that nothing could frighten us anymore." After seeing so much they BELIEVED that nothing could be worse. Madness is a form of crazy I guess you could say. When you don't know what your talking about or talking crazy. You may not be right in the head either. I agree with your definition of what knowing means. You don't just know it, but you have proof and evidence to back it up. |
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Post by Sam T on Feb 4, 2014 21:53:42 GMT
To know is to understand but not necessarily acknowledge. You may know what the soldiers are doing to your friends and family, the gassing and burning, but you are in denial. You refuse to truly believe that this is their fate. Pg. 32 "No. All this could not be real." He saw what they were doing, but refused to believe someone could be so cruel.
To believe is to be certain and to completely acknowledge the existence of something or a situation. For example, a religion. You believe in a higher power than yourself or a government. In Christianity, you acknowledge and worship God and Jesus Christ. Pg. 33 "May His name be celebrated and sanctified..." He is acknowledging God and that he is a higher power and praying to him for help.
To be mad is to see a distorted version of reality, and sometimes acting based on that twisted version of reality. Pg. 27 "Fire! I see a fire! Her little boy was crying, clinging to her skirt, trying to hold her hand. It's nothing mother! There's nothing there...Please sit down..." An example of madness is schizophrenia, a mental disease, of which the symptoms are hearing strange voices, and other delusions.
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Post by Sam T on Feb 4, 2014 21:57:19 GMT
Knowing something is like a fact. You can prove it with evidence you can let people see in some way. Quote: "We never saw him again. He had been given the news. The real news." (pg. 45) They know this is true because they saw it. Believing something means that not everyone thinks something is true. There is no true way of proving it. Quote: "God is testing us. He wants to see whether we are capable of overcoming our base instincts, of killing the Satan within ourselves." (pg. 45) Only some people believe this. It is an opinion. Madness is going crazy about something, or believing something that no one else believes, and they may think you are crazy. Quote: "Jews look! Look at the fire! Look at the flames!" (pg. 28) This is madness because no one else saw the flames, and she was the only one that believed she saw them. Everyone thought she was crazy. I think that believing doesn't have to apply to something that not everyone believes in. I think it's just fully accepting and following something. |
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Post by Makenna A on Feb 4, 2014 21:59:35 GMT
Knowing something is something that has happened or going to happen and you have prof or facts to back the text up with other resources. In the book Ellie says to look up some of the information in another book to see if he is telling the truth. An example from the book that is a person knowing something is when the inmate says "Poor devils, you are heading for the crematorium." The inmate knew they where going to get killed and had prof from the other people who had to put the bodies in the burner and saw the place with the chimneys where they got burned. Belief is something that you believe in your mind but haven't found the information or the other resources to prove it or back it up. An example from the book that is a belief and you can choose to believe it or not is "God is testing us. He wants to see whether we are capable of overcoming our basic instincts, of killing Satan within ourselves." This is a matter of an opinion no one can prove if this is a test and some may this this is a punishment while others think its a test. Its your choose to believe this or not. Madness is going crazy and believing something or seeing something that no one else sees. An example from the book that shows madness is when the lady says " Jews, look! Look at the fire! Look at the flames!" She was the only one seeing this and other people were saying that she was crazy because there was nothing outside of the car.
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Post by Abbey G. on Feb 4, 2014 21:59:52 GMT
When Nicole said that a belief about something is an idea without evidence and I agree with this because you may believe something about a person even if you are not sure if it is really true or not. I really like your meaning of knowing something. You do a good job saying that knowing something means that you are able to prove it in some way with evidence to back it up. You also have really good real world examples. |
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Post by Nate A on Feb 4, 2014 22:09:14 GMT
Knowing something means that you know for a fact it is true or to be aware of it. When Moishe the Beadle is telling the story of being taken away and saying "infants were tossed in the air and used as targets for machine guns" he knows that the story is true, only no one will believe him. A real world example of knowing something is knowing that for a fact Santa does not exist. Believing something is hoping or thinking that you know something and truly thinking that it is real. For example, when talking about Elie's mother he says "we pretended, for what if one of us still did believe." This means he does not know if they are alive but believes or hopes that they are. A real world example is thinking that Santa is real and thinking that you know he exists. Madness is thinking or believing something is true to such an extent you go crazy about something that you truly believe is real even though everyone knows it not. When talking about Mrs. Schachter they say "make that madwoman shut up." They think she is crazy because she believes a fire is there even though it is not yet visible to anyone. A real world example would be believing Santa is real well into your adult life and believing or hoping it is true, causing you to be crazy about someting that doesn't exist.
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Post by Florence L on Feb 4, 2014 22:20:05 GMT
. To know means to have understanding of things or events that happened. To be fully knowledgeable you must know the facts and form your own opinions this is very valuable when you have a primary sources to back up what you believe and if you were there that especially helps because you were there to experience the event or thing.
pg 28. "We stared at the flames in the darkness. A wrenched stench floated in the air." this he experienced he realized and knew that Mrs. Schachter's was right about the fire and screaming it was real and right in front of him. A real life example is knowing what happened in the concentration camps by having people that survived to tell the tale, documentation, and me have some of the buildings left.
. To believe is to have confidence in the truth of your knowledge of something. An example is believing that Elie Weisel was actually in the concentration camps because he used descriptive detail and the facts match up to the time period. pg. 46 "On the way we saw some young German girls. The guards began to tease them. The girls giggled... They went on joking." I think maybe they didn't believe that the guards were doing anything wrong because they didn't show any negativity towards what the guard were doing. . To be crazy is to believe in something when all things point to not being possible. An example is to think that people would kill the Jews because of there religion because this was unheard of in the 20th century. Another example is to see dead people because they are dead so it doesn't really make sense to see them alive. "But people not only refused to believe his tales, they refused to listen. Some even insinuated that he only wanted their pity, that he was imagining things. Others flatly said that he had gone mad." this is because what Moishe was telling was unheard of. pg.7
I agree because primary sources are one thing that backs a witness. I like how you described madness as believing in something that is absolutely unreal. |
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Post by Jackson C on Feb 4, 2014 22:27:13 GMT
Knowing something is understanding and comprending a certain thing or subject. "I will never forget that night" is a quote about never forgetting that moment, knowing what happened. A real world example is that I know that the holocaust is a real event. Believing something is thinking something is real but when it might not be real. "God is testing us" is a quote that they believe that a supernatural power is causing the pain and "trials" they are facing. Religion is a real world example because people believe in a supernatural power that may or may not exist. Being mad is believing in something that is physical and not being there or not believed/accepted by people. "Look at the fire! Look at the flames! Over there!" is a quote by the mad women because there were no flames fire or anything of that nature but this may be a prediction Crystal Night because of the fire reference. A real world example is a insanasylum because of the insane people saying things that are not there or are not sane I think hat you need to elaborate more on knowing something. Everything else though is good. |
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Post by Florence L on Feb 4, 2014 22:28:23 GMT
To Know: You know something when you are absolutely sure of something, you will have evidence of why it is what it is and what makes it true. The quote from the book to represent this is "You will be burned! Burned to a cinder! Turned into ashes!" from page thirty one this represents knowing because the person knows for a fact with evidence that these people are going to be killed soon or a later, he has smelled the burning flesh and has heard the rumors that are true. A real world example of knowing is that there was a terrorist attack on the world trade center people knew that it happened from first hand accounts and later on found out it was a terrorist attack because of true evidence. To Believe: When you believe in something you have enough evidence for it to make sense but not enough for it to be true. An example from the book is "Who knows, they may be sending us away for our own good." From page twenty one.These people believed that they were going to be okay from the evidence of now called propaganda, but they had no idea what was really going to happen. A real life example of believing is people believing in higher beings, there is some evidence that they may be true, but there is no definite answer. To Be Mad: When you are mad, the only reasonable answer is what you give yourself. Nobody believes you because there isn't evidence, you may not be mentally challenged but you might be crazy. A quote of madness is "Jews, look! Look at the fire! Look at the flames!" From page 28. That is believed to be madness because there is not evidence what so ever, that there is actually a fire. A real life example is people within a crime investigation will give completely different explanations that have no evidence what so ever and don't make sense, such as saying that one person will kill someone cause they had a vision or something crazy like that. Good points, I never really thought of madness as that kind of stubbornness. I also like how you pointed out that a belief usually makes sense although not backed by suffiicient evidence. |
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Post by Eliza G. B4 on Feb 4, 2014 22:29:23 GMT
To know is to have proof that something happened. Like when Elie and the other Jews didn't know that Moshe the Beadle was telling the truth because he had no proof that concentration camps existed. They didn't know that he was telling him the truth. A modern day example would be science proving that dinosaurs do exist, or proving that a new species exists, because they have facts and proof to back it up.
To believe is to listen to a person or thing happened without or with proof. Like when the Jews in the cattle cars believed Madame, about the fire even though none of them had seen it. A modern day example would be gossip in middle schools, a lot of times the gossiper has no proof that she/he is telling the truth, for example saying that somebody told her blah blah blah, and a lot of people believe them.
To be "mad" is to have lost a grip on reality. In the book Madame saw things that didn't exist (the fire/furnace), she lost her sanity because the Nazi's took her two eldest sons and husband away too early. A modern day example would be picturing things or seeing things that don't exist, like seeing the ocean in an apartment or feeling ants or a crawling sensation, when in reality nothing is there.
I think that Guilianna G had really good examples and connections. I also thought Noah W. did too.
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Post by Meghan C. on Feb 4, 2014 22:31:32 GMT
Knowing something is when other people or evidence assures you that what you are thinking of is real or correct. An example of this from the book is when one of the Jews at the camp were saying "Over, there that's where they will take you. Over there will be your grave. You still don't understand? You will be burned!". This man truly knew that he was going to die, that everyone around him was about to be burned. Belief is when you have faith in something. When there is no true evidence as to that what they are thinking is true, but they still believe it. In the book Elie had a strong belief in God even when he was in the camps and was bitter toward his God, he still believed He was real. Madness is when a person loses all touch with reality and can not function with current society. In the book they believe that the woman on the train was mad because she was not acting the same way as everyone else.
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Post by Jackson C on Feb 4, 2014 22:32:43 GMT
1.What it means to know? When it means to know, you are fully understanding a conflict. You go deeper than just giving a good answer, you have to have reason to finding the meaning of the conflict, that is when you oafishly "know". for example: Like when you and your friend is in a bad relationship with his/her parents you really have to know what they are going through, and not just listen and reply with "yea" or "ok". evidence: "We never saw him again, he had been given the news, the real news". That moment there he had just realized what was going to happen to them. He figured it out with his own knowledge. 2. What it means to believe. When you really believe, you never give up on yourself. When you believe, you never lose hope on anything or you never give p for what you stand for. When you believe, you never give up to succeed. In real life, i was in the hospital for three days with type one diabetes, i believed that i can make tis disease a daily life routine, and now i am on top of the world.
evidence: In the book, Ellie never gave up to survive, he always looked for reasons to be alive, for his family, for his beliefs, and he never gave up on himself. That is what a true believer is.
3. What it means to be mad. When it means to e mad, there are two meanings, when you are angry, and when you are mentally crazy. You are anxious to be the one who is right, but you are really just eating your brain away. A real world problem is drugs i the U.s. When you do drugs, you can have an over dose or something else that will just take you away from the world.
Evidence: In the book, people thought that moshie the beatle was mad because of what he saw. People thought he was mad because of the way he acted. People did not believe him because nobody would even think about the madness he saw and talked about.For knowing you could have used a better example. Try using an event that happened like you did for what believe means. |
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Post by Lila S. on Feb 4, 2014 22:36:15 GMT
Knowing:
Knowing is to be aware of something true, that you have strong influences to sense it's true. I know that my birthday is July 28, because that is a true provable fact. "'Jews, look! Look at the fire! Look at the flames!' And as the train stopped, this time we saw flames rising from a tall chimney into a black sky." This quote from the book represents knowing because she says something that is definitely true, she makes a statement that can be proven with evidence.
Believing:
Believing means to think something that doesn't have evidence at the moment, or something that you think is real/true that can be questioned. I believe that my friends are loyal, this proves my definition because there is nothing I can do to get the exact truth but I am opinionated to think they are genuine. "'Mother is still a young woman,' my father once said. 'She must be in a labor camp. And Tzipora, she is a big girl now. She must too be in a camp...'" This represents my quote because they are opinionated to hope that this is true but they have no evidence or way of knowing whether it is fact or fiction.
Madness:
Madness means you are hallucinating; you cannot tell what is true or not because everything is out of sorts and hard to understand/grasp, and unbelievable. I think the movie Oblivion was madness, because the plot was often shocking and I was often unable the understand what was true or false. "In front of us, those flames. In the air, the smell of burning flesh." This quote from Night represented my definition of madness because it contains experiences that you would never, ever expect to be real, Elie often thought he was in a nightmare and he would awaken any minute, but all of these bizarre, unthinkable things were happening in reality and were still being questioned.
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